11pm to 12:59am Geomancy/Western timing

[myfs_149985]

Hi!
I have read up a little on geomancy but am somewhat confused by what should rightfully be the correct date when it comes to someone born after 12am but before 12:59am.
Eg, someone born on the western date of 12th March 2000 12:30am, should he/she be considered to be born on the chinese date of 6th or 7th February?
Casually asking around, was somewhat told that it should be considered as 6th February since the sun has not yet risen for 7th February, thus its not a new day yet.
Appreciate your input on the above towards this confusion of mine.

[Cecil Lee]

Please see attachment. Note the Hour of Birth frame...

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On 5/22/2011 1:28:50 PM, Anonymous wrote:
Hi!I have read up a little on
geomancy but am somewhat
confused by what should
rightfully be the correct date
when it comes to someone born
after 12am but before 12:59am.
Eg, someone born on the
western date of 12th March
2000 12:30am, should he/she be
considered to be born on the
chinese date of 6th or 7th
February? Casually asking
around, was somewhat told that
it should be considered as 6th
February since the sun has not
yet risen for 7th February,
thus its not a new day yet.
Appreciate your input on the
above towards this confusion
of mine.

[myfs_149985]

Hi Master Cecil,
Going by the attached hour of birth listing, I believe you meant Geomancy timing should follow the western timing?
Thereby, he/she should be deemed to be born on the chinese date of 7th February 12:30am (Zi) hour from my example.
So, is it correct to say that 'the sun has not yet risen for the new day' holds no weight?
Many thanks for your input in further understanding the above!

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On 5/22/2011 1:29:55 PM, Anonymous wrote:
Please see attachment. Note the Hour of
Birth frame...On 5/22/2011 1:28:50 PM,
Anonymous wrote: >Hi!I have read up a
little on >geomancy but am somewhat
confused by what should
rightfully be the correct date
when it comes to someone born
after 12am but before 12:59am.
Eg, someone born on the >western
date of 12th March >2000 12:30am,
should he/she be >considered to be
born on the >chinese date of 6th or
7th >February? Casually asking
around, was somewhat told that
it should be considered as 6th
February since the sun has not
yet risen for 7th February, >thus
its not a new day yet. >Appreciate
your input on the >above towards this
confusion >of mine.

[Cecil Lee]

1. Please note that the Chinese Hour is based on TWO hourly timings.
2. Thus, it is a "repetitive" model e.g. 11 to 1, 1 to 3, 3 to 5, 5 to 7,7 to 9, 9 to 11. Be it for am or pm. (Starting from odd numbers = yang)
3. Thus it can be said to be 11, 3, 5, 7, 9 and loops back to 11.
4. In addition, there are only TWELVE (12) Zodiac signs and in a 24 hour time frame. Thus Each zodiac sign must occupy one of the TWO hours. Logic says that the rat, being the first animal sign must start at some timing e.g. 11am.
5. Therefore, anyone born between 11am to 1pm or 11pm to 1am is considered as born in the RAT hour. Thus, these hours are definitely not belong to the OX = 1 to 3 or the PIG = 9 to 11.
Ref: http://lovesigns.net
6. There are TWO Schools of thoughts with regards to which day one is born in for those on this borderline of 11PM TO 1PM.

6.1. THE EXTREMIST VIEW

6.1.1 Some Geomancers use this extremist VIEW and consider anyone born between 11pm to 2pm as belonging to the "earlier" period: born on 6th February instead of 7th February.

6.1.2 As the description suggests; some practise this but in my opinion; not the most popular view.

6.2. THE PRACTICAL VIEW

6.2.1 Many of us instinctively feel and also see on our birth certificate that we are born e.g. 0001HRS onwards on a 7th February. Thus, it is very hard for a lay person to want to use 6th February instead of 7th February in this example.

6.2.2 Frankly, there is nothing wrong to "split-up" the TWO Hours into virtual time-zones. For example: 2300HRS TO 2359HRS on a 6th Feburary and then 0000HRS onwards to 1259HRS. This is perfectly fine! As ain't both still belong to the RAT hour?

6.2.3 Thus the HOUR field is a separate module from the DAY field!

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On 5/22/2011 5:17:08 PM, Anonymous wrote:
Hi Master Cecil,Going by the attached
hour of birth listing, I believe you
meant Geomancy timing should follow the
western timing? Thereby, he/she should
be deemed to be born on the chinese date
of 7th February 12:30am (Zi) hour from
my example. So, is it correct to say
that 'the sun has not yet risen for the
new day' holds no weight? Many thanks
for your input in further understanding
the above!On 5/22/2011 1:29:55 PM, Cecil
Lee wrote:
Please see attachment. Note the Hour
of
Birth frame...On 5/22/2011 1:28:50
PM,
Anonymous wrote:
Hi!I have read
up a
little on
geomancy but am
somewhat
confused by what should
rightfully be the correct date
when it comes to someone born
after 12am but before 12:59am.
Eg, someone born on the
western
date of 12th March
2000 12:30am,
should he/she be
considered to
be
born on the
chinese date of 6th
or
7th
February? Casually asking
around, was somewhat told that
it should be considered as 6th
February since the sun has not
yet risen for 7th February,
thus
its not a new day yet.
Appreciate
your input on the
above towards
this
confusion
of mine.

[Cecil Lee]

1. Please refer to the attachedillustration.
2. Based on the Practical view on how to apply the hours in the Chinese system;
3. The rat hour will always be a rat hour distinct from the DAY module.
4. Thus, if one is born on 6th February between 2300HRS to 2359HRS; this is still the RAT hour. And 0000HRS to 0100HRS on 7th February is still the RAT hour except born on a different day.
5. The test of a system is to ask as many people what they think. Logically, most of us find this "practical view" more sensible than the extremist view. As I mentioned; look at the HOUR system as a separate MODULE from the DAY system. It is clearly illustrated in the attachment.
6. Of course, there are "extremists" out there who thinks otherwise. I am only trying to state the facts, here and it has more to do with commonsense.

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On 5/22/2011 7:57:01 PM, Anonymous wrote:
1. Please note that the
Chinese Hour is based on TWO
hourly timings.2. Thus, it is
a "repetitive" model
e.g. 11 to 1, 1 to
3, 3 to 5, 5 to 7,7 to
9, 9 to 11. Be it for am or
pm. (Starting from odd numbers
= yang)3. Thus it can be said
to be 11, 3, 5, 7, 9 and loops
back to 11. 4. In addition,
there are only TWELVE (12)
Zodiac signs and in a 24 hour
time frame. Thus Each zodiac
sign must occupy one of the
TWO hours. Logic says that the
rat, being the first animal
sign must start at some timing
e.g. 11am. 5. Therefore,
anyone born between 11am to
1pm or 11pm to 1am is
considered as born in the RAT
hour. Thus, these hours are
definitely not belong to the
OX = 1 to 3 or the PIG = 9 to
11. Ref: http://lovesigns.net
6. There are TWO Schools of
thoughts with regards to which
day one is born in for those
on this borderline of 11PM TO
1PM.
6.1. THE EXTREMIST VIEW
6.1.1 Some Geomancers use this
extremist VIEW and consider
anyone born between 11pm to
2pm as belonging to the
"earlier" period: born on 6th
February instead of 7th
February.
6.1.2 As the description
suggests; some practise this
but in my opinion; not the
most popular view.
6.2. THE PRACTICAL VIEW
6.2.1 Many of us instinctively
feel and also see on our birth
certificate that we are born
e.g. 0001HRS onwards on a 7th
February. Thus, it is very
hard for a lay person to want
to use 6th February instead of
7th February in this example.
6.2.2 Frankly, there is
nothing wrong to "split-up"
the TWO Hours into virtual
time-zones. For example:
2300HRS TO 2359HRS on a 6th
Feburary and then 0000HRS
onwards to 1259HRS. This is
perfectly fine! As ain't both
still belong to the RAT
hour?
6.2.3 Thus the HOUR field is a separate
module from the DAY field! On 5/22/2011
5:17:08 PM, Anonymous wrote:
Hi
Master Cecil,Going by the attached
hour of birth listing, I believe you
meant Geomancy timing should follow
the
western timing? Thereby, he/she
should
be deemed to be born on the
chinese date
of 7th February 12:30am
(Zi) hour from
my example. So, is it
correct to say
that 'the sun has not
yet risen for the
new day' holds no
weight? Many thanks
for your input
in further understanding
the
above!On 5/22/2011 1:29:55 PM, Cecil
Lee wrote:
Please see
attachment. Note the Hour
of
Birth frame...On 5/22/2011
1:28:50
PM,
Anonymous wrote:
Hi!I have read
up a
little on
geomancy but am
somewhat
confused by
what should
rightfully be
the correct date
when it
comes to someone born
after
12am but before 12:59am.
Eg,
someone born on the
western
date of 12th March
2000
12:30am,
should he/she be
considered to
be
born on
the
chinese date of 6th
or
7th
February? Casually
asking
around, was somewhat
told that
it should be
considered as 6th
February
since the sun has not
yet
risen for 7th February,
thus
its not a new day yet.
Appreciate
your input on
the
above towards
this
confusion
of mine.

[myfs_149985]

Hi Master Cecil,
Many thanks! What you have explained has been very helpful as is detailed.
It is a very informative read and has helped cleared my confusion as well as any others who may be confused as I was.
Thank you!

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On 5/22/2011 8:18:44 PM, Anonymous wrote: