Dear Robert and Cecil, First, I want to thank you for I've learned a lot from your site. It's very enlighten. Thank you. I've tried to make my own analysis and just want to ask for your opinion about curing #2 and #5. 1. SE has M2, W5, B7, annual 8. Since there are two bad and strong earth #2 and #5 Vs SE wood and weak #7 metal, it still needs metal cure. So I plan to use salt water cure. Is it OK? Or is it better to use 6 coin in red ribbon? Or maybe should I use both of them? 2. N has M5, W2, B4, annual 5. Since there are three bad and strong earth #5, #2, and #5 vs N water and weak #4 wood, it still needs metal cure. So I plan to use 6 rods wind chime and 6 coin in red ribbon. Is it OK? Do I still need salt water cure? I'll appreciate any reply. Kind regards, Ben