Hi Master Cecil, Going by the attached hour of birth listing, I believe you meant Geomancy timing should follow the western timing? Thereby, he/she should be deemed to be born on the chinese date of 7th February 12:30am (Zi) hour from my example. So, is it correct to say that 'the sun has not yet risen for the new day' holds no weight? Many thanks for your input in further understanding the above!