March 16, 201313 yr Staff Urban Vista Condominium ismid-sized @ Tanah Merah Kechil Road, Singapore 465504Developer: Bayfront Realty Pte Ltd (Frangance Group and World Class Land)Tenure of Land: 99 Years Residential (Condominium)Total nett site area: 13,998.5 sqm / 150,680 sq ft Site Area: 13,998.5 sqm or 150,679.85 sqft Total units available: 582 (11 blocks of 15th Storey)Bedroom Size: 1/ 2/ 3/ 4 /2, 3 ,4 Bed Dual Key /Penthouse
March 16, 201313 yr Staff For those selecting an apartment at Urban Vista (soon to be launched); just take note that their MIGHT be a poison arrow in the form of the sharp corner of one of the stacks in Block 1 The Tanamera.For those who intend to purchase Tower 1, either Stack 31 or 32; (looks like possible poison arrow aimed at one of these stacks) please do more homework. See attachment. Quote On 3/16/2013 11:41:42 PM, Anonymous wrote:Urban Vista Condominiumismid-sized @ TanahMerah Kechil Road, Singapore465504Developer: BayfrontRealty Pte Ltd (FranganceGroup and World ClassLand)Tenure of Land: 99 YearsResidential (Condominium)Totalnett site area: 13,998.5 sqm /150,680 sq ft Site Area:13,998.5 sqm or 150,679.85sqftTotal units available: 582 (11blocks of 15th Storey)BedroomSize: 1/ 2/ 3/ 4 /2, 3 ,4 BedDual Key /Penthouse
March 17, 201313 yr Staff SHA QI OR POISON ARROW(S) OF PAVILION ROOFSFor this development: Urban Vista at Tanah Merah,Please take note that majority of the pavilions have sharp angled roofs. Often, these pavilion roofs are usually "aimed" at either 1st storey or 2nd storey depending on the height of the specific stories.For example some 1st storeys may have high ceilings and depending on where the pavilion roof (cuts); Attached, in red arrow(s) shows the potential sharp corners of the pavilion roof edges ... aimed towards individual stacks... Again, do bear in mind this when selecting a unit facing pool side... Do take note that not all units facing pool side will be affected by this. Perhaps only a few "unlucky" ones. Quote On 3/16/2013 11:53:44 PM, Anonymous wrote:For those selecting an apartment atUrban Vista (soon to be launched); justtake note that their MIGHT be a poisonarrow in the form of the sharp corner ofone of the stacks in Block 1 TheTanamera.For those who intend topurchase Tower 1, either Stack 31 or 32;(looks like possible poison arrow aimedat one of these stacks) please do morehomework. See attachment.On 3/16/201311:41:42 PM, Cecil Lee wrote:UrbanVista Condominiumismid-sized@ TanahMerah Kechil Road, Singapore465504Developer: BayfrontRealtyPte Ltd (FranganceGroup and WorldClassLand)Tenure of Land: 99 YearsResidential (Condominium)Totalnett site area: 13,998.5 sqm /150,680 sq ft Site Area:13,998.5 sqm or 150,679.85sqftTotal units available: 582 (11blocks of 15th Storey)BedroomSize: 1/ 2/ 3/ 4 /2, 3 ,4 BedDual Key /Penthouse
March 17, 201313 yr Staff If you intend to purchase a unit at Urban Vista, higher than the 3rd storey, NO NEED to read this:-Else scroll, below:-Scroll, some more...This artist impression of the pavilion roof shows:1. This is considered as a "paper thin" and somewhat flat roof.2. The sharp corners of such roofs (see circled in YELLOW) could be POSSIBLE poison arrow(s) aimed towards a nearby unit.2.1. Depending on the height of the pavilion roof; the height of each ground floor unit vis-?-vis the 2nd floor; 2.2. Such seemingly simple ad innocent looking pavilion roofs may result in it becomingeither a poison arrow orthe horizontal paper thin looking roof may even slice into a specific nearby unit, also. 2.3 The "slicing" effect is shown as a thin red strip of line shown in the attachment. Quote On 3/17/2013 12:35:31 AM, Anonymous wrote:SHA QI OR POISON ARROW(S) OF PAVILIONROOFSFor this development: Urban Vistaat Tanah Merah,Please take note thatmajority of the pavilions have sharpangled roofs. Often, these pavilionroofs are usually "aimed" at either 1ststorey or 2nd storey depending on theheight of the specific stories.Forexample some 1st storeys may have highceilings and depending on where thepavilion roof (cuts); Attached, in redarrow(s) shows the potential sharpcorners of the pavilion roof edges ...aimed towards individual stacks...Again, do bear in mind this whenselecting a unit facing pool side... Dotake note that not all units facing poolside will be affected by this. Perhapsonly a few "unlucky" ones.On 3/16/201311:53:44 PM, Cecil Lee wrote:Forthose selecting an apartment atUrban Vista (soon to be launched);justtake note that their MIGHT be apoisonarrow in the form of thesharp corner ofone of the stacks inBlock 1 TheTanamera.For those whointend topurchase Tower 1, eitherStack 31 or 32;(looks like possiblepoison arrow aimedat one of thesestacks) please do morehomework. Seeattachment.On 3/16/201311:41:42 PM,Cecil Lee wrote:UrbanVistaCondominiumismid-sized@TanahMerah Kechil Road, Singapore465504Developer: BayfrontRealtyPte Ltd (FranganceGroup and WorldClassLand)Tenure of Land: 99 YearsResidential (Condominium)Totalnett site area: 13,998.5 sqm /150,680 sq ft Site Area:13,998.5 sqm or 150,679.85sqftTotal units available:582 (11blocks of 15thStorey)BedroomSize: 1/ 2/ 3/ 4/2, 3 ,4 BedDual Key /Penthouse
March 18, 201313 yr Staff Urban Vista's Period 8: Flying Stars Favours WEST GROUP:-===================Towers 2, 4, 6 & 8 = Either NW3 or SE3 Towers 10, 12 & 14 = Either NW3 or SE3 Tower 16 = Either NE3 or SW3 Favours EAST GROUP:-===================Towers 18, 20 & 22 = Either N1 or S1 Quote On 3/17/2013 7:21:18 AM, Anonymous wrote:If you intend to purchase a unit atUrban Vista, higher than the 3rd storey,NO NEED to read this:-Else scroll,below:-Scroll, some more...This artistimpression of the pavilion roof shows:1.This is considered as a "paper thin" andsomewhat flat roof.2. The sharp cornersof such roofs (see circled in YELLOW)could be POSSIBLE poison arrow(s) aimedtowards a nearby unit.2.1. Depending onthe height of the pavilion roof; theheight of each ground floor unitvis-?-vis the 2nd floor; 2.2. Suchseemingly simple ad innocent lookingpavilion roofs may result in itbecomingeither a poison arroworthe horizontal paper thinlooking roof may even slice into aspecific nearby unit, also. 2.3 The"slicing" effect is shown as a thin redstrip of line shown in theattachment.On 3/17/2013 12:35:31AM, Cecil Lee wrote:SHA QI ORPOISON ARROW(S) OF PAVILIONROOFSForthis development: Urban VistaatTanah Merah,Please take note thatmajority of the pavilions have sharpangled roofs. Often, these pavilionroofs are usually "aimed" at either1ststorey or 2nd storey dependingon theheight of the specificstories.Forexample some 1st storeysmay have highceilings and dependingon where thepavilion roof (cuts);Attached, in redarrow(s) shows thepotential sharpcorners of thepavilion roof edges ...aimedtowards individual stacks...Again,do bear in mind this whenselectinga unit facing pool side... Dotakenote that not all units facing poolside will be affected by this.Perhapsonly a few "unlucky" ones.On3/16/201311:53:44 PM, Cecil Leewrote:Forthose selecting anapartment atUrban Vista (soonto be launched);justtake notethat their MIGHT be apoisonarrow in the form of thesharpcorner ofone of the stacks inBlock 1 TheTanamera.For thosewhointend topurchase Tower 1,eitherStack 31 or 32;(lookslike possiblepoison arrow aimedat one of thesestacks) pleasedo morehomework. Seeattachment.On 3/16/201311:41:42PM,Cecil Lee wrote:UrbanVistaCondominiumismid-sized@TanahMerah Kechil Road, Singapore465504Developer: BayfrontRealtyPte Ltd (FranganceGroup and WorldClassLand)Tenure of Land: 99 YearsResidential(Condominium)Totalnett sitearea: 13,998.5 sqm /150,680sq ft Site Area:13,998.5sqm or 150,679.85sqftTotal units available:582(11blocks of 15thStorey)BedroomSize: 1/ 2/3/ 4/2, 3 ,4 BedDual Key/Penthouse
March 18, 201313 yr Staff Additional resources on "poison arrows"http://forum.geomancy.net/phpforum/article.php?bid=2&fid=6&mid=28072&new=%3EHouse%20Hunting%20:%20A%20Lot%20Position%20-%20%3Cem%3EFeng%20Shui%3C/emhttp://forum.geomancy.net/phpforum/article.php?bid=2&fid=43&mid=25570&new=And poison arrow from lamp post:http://forum.geomancy.net/phpforum/article.php?bid=2&fid=19&mid=25772&new= Quote On 3/17/2013 7:21:18 AM, Anonymous wrote:If you intend to purchase a unit atUrban Vista, higher than the 3rd storey,NO NEED to read this:-Else scroll,below:-Scroll, some more...This artistimpression of the pavilion roof shows:1.This is considered as a "paper thin" andsomewhat flat roof.2. The sharp cornersof such roofs (see circled in YELLOW)could be POSSIBLE poison arrow(s) aimedtowards a nearby unit.2.1. Depending onthe height of the pavilion roof; theheight of each ground floor unitvis-?-vis the 2nd floor; 2.2. Suchseemingly simple ad innocent lookingpavilion roofs may result in itbecomingeither a poison arroworthe horizontal paper thinlooking roof may even slice into aspecific nearby unit, also. 2.3 The"slicing" effect is shown as a thin redstrip of line shown in theattachment.On 3/17/2013 12:35:31AM, Cecil Lee wrote:SHA QI ORPOISON ARROW(S) OF PAVILIONROOFSForthis development: Urban VistaatTanah Merah,Please take note thatmajority of the pavilions have sharpangled roofs. Often, these pavilionroofs are usually "aimed" at either1ststorey or 2nd storey dependingon theheight of the specificstories.Forexample some 1st storeysmay have highceilings and dependingon where thepavilion roof (cuts);Attached, in redarrow(s) shows thepotential sharpcorners of thepavilion roof edges ...aimedtowards individual stacks...Again,do bear in mind this whenselectinga unit facing pool side... Dotakenote that not all units facing poolside will be affected by this.Perhapsonly a few "unlucky" ones.On3/16/201311:53:44 PM, Cecil Leewrote:Forthose selecting anapartment atUrban Vista (soonto be launched);justtake notethat their MIGHT be apoisonarrow in the form of thesharpcorner ofone of the stacks inBlock 1 TheTanamera.For thosewhointend topurchase Tower 1,eitherStack 31 or 32;(lookslike possiblepoison arrow aimedat one of thesestacks) pleasedo morehomework. Seeattachment.On 3/16/201311:41:42PM,Cecil Lee wrote:UrbanVistaCondominiumismid-sized@TanahMerah Kechil Road, Singapore465504Developer: BayfrontRealtyPte Ltd (FranganceGroup and WorldClassLand)Tenure of Land: 99 YearsResidential(Condominium)Totalnett sitearea: 13,998.5 sqm /150,680sq ft Site Area:13,998.5sqm or 150,679.85sqftTotal units available:582(11blocks of 15thStorey)BedroomSize: 1/ 2/3/ 4/2, 3 ,4 BedDual Key/Penthouse
March 18, 201313 yr Staff Contrast, the unfriendly pavilion roof with that of the attached illustrations of the under construction: Foresque Residences more friendly designs.... (see attachments) Quote On 3/17/2013 7:21:18 AM, Anonymous wrote:If you intend to purchase a unit atUrban Vista, higher than the 3rd storey,NO NEED to read this:-Else scroll,below:-Scroll, some more...This artistimpression of the pavilion roof shows:1.This is considered as a "paper thin" andsomewhat flat roof.2. The sharp cornersof such roofs (see circled in YELLOW)could be POSSIBLE poison arrow(s) aimedtowards a nearby unit.2.1. Depending onthe height of the pavilion roof; theheight of each ground floor unitvis-?-vis the 2nd floor; 2.2. Suchseemingly simple ad innocent lookingpavilion roofs may result in itbecomingeither a poison arroworthe horizontal paper thinlooking roof may even slice into aspecific nearby unit, also. 2.3 The"slicing" effect is shown as a thin redstrip of line shown in theattachment.On 3/17/2013 12:35:31AM, Cecil Lee wrote:SHA QI ORPOISON ARROW(S) OF PAVILIONROOFSForthis development: Urban VistaatTanah Merah,Please take note thatmajority of the pavilions have sharpangled roofs. Often, these pavilionroofs are usually "aimed" at either1ststorey or 2nd storey dependingon theheight of the specificstories.Forexample some 1st storeysmay have highceilings and dependingon where thepavilion roof (cuts);Attached, in redarrow(s) shows thepotential sharpcorners of thepavilion roof edges ...aimedtowards individual stacks...Again,do bear in mind this whenselectinga unit facing pool side... Dotakenote that not all units facing poolside will be affected by this.Perhapsonly a few "unlucky" ones.On3/16/201311:53:44 PM, Cecil Leewrote:Forthose selecting anapartment atUrban Vista (soonto be launched);justtake notethat their MIGHT be apoisonarrow in the form of thesharpcorner ofone of the stacks inBlock 1 TheTanamera.For thosewhointend topurchase Tower 1,eitherStack 31 or 32;(lookslike possiblepoison arrow aimedat one of thesestacks) pleasedo morehomework. Seeattachment.On 3/16/201311:41:42PM,Cecil Lee wrote:UrbanVistaCondominiumismid-sized@TanahMerah Kechil Road, Singapore465504Developer: BayfrontRealtyPte Ltd (FranganceGroup and WorldClassLand)Tenure of Land: 99 YearsResidential(Condominium)Totalnett sitearea: 13,998.5 sqm /150,680sq ft Site Area:13,998.5sqm or 150,679.85sqftTotal units available:582(11blocks of 15thStorey)BedroomSize: 1/ 2/3/ 4/2, 3 ,4 BedDual Key/Penthouse
March 22, 201313 yr Staff Please also note that the pillars holding up the roof : if it slices towards an opening such as a PES balcony sliding door(s) towards the living room or a bedroom; this is also considered as a poison arrow(s). Quote On 3/18/2013 9:27:34 PM, Anonymous wrote: Contrast, the unfriendly pavilion roof with that of the attached illustrations of the under construction: Foresque Residences more friendly designs.... (see attachments) On 3/17/2013 7:21:18 AM, Cecil Lee wrote: If you intend to purchase a unit at Urban Vista, higher than the 3rd storey, NO NEED to read this:-Else scroll, below:-Scroll, some more...This artist impression of the pavilion roof shows:1. This is considered as a "paper thin" and somewhat flat roof.2. The sharp corners of such roofs (see circled in YELLOW) could be POSSIBLE poison arrow(s) aimed towards a nearby unit.2.1. Depending on the height of the pavilion roof; the height of each ground floor unit vis-?-vis the 2nd floor; 2.2. Such seemingly simple ad innocent looking pavilion roofs may result in it becomingeither a poison arrow orthe horizontal paper thin looking roof may even slice into a specific nearby unit, also. 2.3 The "slicing" effect is shown as a thin red strip of line shown in the attachment.On 3/17/2013 12:35:31 AM, Cecil Lee wrote: SHA QI OR POISON ARROW(S) OF PAVILION ROOFSFor this development: Urban Vista at Tanah Merah,Please take note that majority of the pavilions have sharp angled roofs. Often, these pavilion roofs are usually "aimed" at either 1st storey or 2nd storey depending on the height of the specific stories.For example some 1st storeys may have high ceilings and depending on where the pavilion roof (cuts); Attached, in red arrow(s) shows the potential sharp corners of the pavilion roof edges ... aimed towards individual stacks... Again, do bear in mind this when selecting a unit facing pool side... Do take note that not all units facing pool side will be affected by this. Perhaps only a few "unlucky" ones.On 3/16/2013 11:53:44 PM, Cecil Lee wrote: For those selecting an apartment at Urban Vista (soon to be launched); just take note that their MIGHT be a poison arrow in the form of the sharp corner of one of the stacks in Block 1 The Tanamera.For those who intend to purchase Tower 1, either Stack 31 or 32; (looks like possible poison arrow aimed at one of these stacks) please do more homework. See attachment.On 3/16/2013 11:41:42 PM, Cecil Lee wrote: Urban Vista Condominium ismid-sized @ Tanah Merah Kechil Road, Singapore 465504Developer: Bayfront Realty Pte Ltd (Frangance Group and World Class Land)Tenure of Land: 99 Years Residential (Condominium)Total nett site area: 13,998.5 sqm / 150,680 sq ft Site Area: 13,998.5 sqm or 150,679.85 sqft Total units available: 582 (11 blocks of 15th Storey)Bedroom Size: 1/ 2/ 3/ 4 /2, 3 ,4 Bed Dual Key /Penthouse
December 10, 20214 yr Author Staff An open common bin chute facing the front door…. Hmmm The advantage is that there will be less maintenance costs in the future. And perhaps lesser increase in sinking funds top-up… especially for the rest of the other units… Plus more hygienic as pests like cockroaches don’t hide inside the doors…etc Blame it on the architect for not doing a proper RC roof. If so, no need to install a blind, here… Even if you don’t intend to stay here, do a proper job!
6 hours ago6 hr Author Staff What the table actually shows (loss PSF and loss amount)Unit TypeBlockLevelUnitArea (sqft)Date of PurchasePurchase (PSF)Purchase (Price)Date of SaleSale (PSF)Sale (Price)Loss (PSF)Loss (Amount)Holding PeriodAnnualised3BR1642979714 May 20131,5271,216,43318 Oct 20211,2551,000,000▼272▼216,4338y 5m 4d-2.3%4BR205391,04408 Apr 20131,4481,511,86824 Feb 20201,2451,300,000▼203▼211,8686y 10m 15d-2.17%3BR480889318 Apr 20131,5221,360,07720 Feb 20201,2981,160,000▼224▼200,0776y 10m 1d-2.3%4BR225461,04423 May 20131,5131,580,00017 Mar 20231,3221,380,000▼191▼200,0009y 9m 23d-1.37%3BR1212396905 Jul 20131,3541,312,16215 Sep 20211,1661,130,000▼188▼182,1628y 2m 11d-1.81%3BR10121785026 Aug 20131,4931,269,99920 Feb 20181,2941,100,000▼199▼169,9994y 5m 25d-3.15%The table contains 6 resale transactions (units) in Urban Vista. For each, Loss (PSF) equals Purchase PSF − Sale PSF, and Loss (Amount) equals Purchase Price − Sale Price.Loss (PSF) by unit (all negative):- 272, 203, 224, 191, 188, 199 psf Range: 188–272 psf Average: ~213 psf (1277/6) Median: ~201 psfLoss (Amount) by unit (all negative):- \$216,433; \$211,868; \$200,077; \$200,000; \$182,162; \$169,999 Range: \$169,999–\$216,433 Total loss across the 6 units: \$1,180,539 Average per unit: ~\$196,757 Median: ~\$200,039Largest loss:- Loss PSF: 272 psf- Loss amount: \$216,433 (this matches the headline “biggest loss”)How widespread are losses within this dataset?- 6 out of 6 units (100%) show losses.- Loss amounts are tightly clustered around ~\$170k–\$216k, i.e., not one-off outliers in this small list.Critical evaluation: number of units reviewed and what can (and can’t) be concluded1. Only 6 units are reviewed. That’s a very small sample relative to the total number of homes in a condo project, so it’s not sufficient to characterize “the project” overall.2. The selection appears loss-only (strong selection bias). Every row is a loss, and the framing (“proof”, “biggest loss”) suggests these may be filtered examples of losing resales, not an unbiased set of all resales.Without knowing:- the total number of resales during the period, and - how many were profits vs losses, one cannot infer that most owners lost money—only that these six did.3. Losses shown are likely understated as “true investment outcome.” The table compares prices only and likely excludes buyer stamp duty, legal fees, agent commission, loan interest, maintenance fees, and renovation costs (which would worsen results).On the other hand, it also likely excludes rental income (which could partially offset losses). So it’s not a full IRR-style performance view.Bottom line from the presented data- Units reviewed: 6- Extent of losses within those 6: All 6 lost, typically about ~200 psf and ~\$200k each, totaling ~\$1.18M across the list.- Project-wide implication: Not established, because the sample is small and appears selective (loss-only) without the full resale universe for comparison.Here are the totals and averages computed from the 6 URBAN VISTA loss transactions shown in the table.Summary row (Totals / Averages)Unit TypeBlockLevelUnitArea (sqft)Date of PurchasePurchase (PSF)Purchase (Price)Date of SaleSale (PSF)Sale (Price)Loss (PSF)Loss (Amount)Holding PeriodAnnualisedTOTAL / AVG (6 units)———5,597—1,476.17 (avg)$8,250,539 (total)—1,263.33 (avg)$7,070,000 (total)212.83 (avg)$1,180,539 (total)—-2.18% (avg)Additional useful averages:Average loss amount per unit: $196,756.50Area-weighted average loss PSF (total loss ÷ total sqft): $210.92 psf ( = 1,180,539 ÷ 5,597 )
5 hours ago5 hr Author Staff Why some Urban Vista owners profited while others lost: it mostly came down to entry price (PSF)The chart’s core message is mathematically simple:> Profit per square foot = Sale PSF − Purchase PSF> Profit amount ≈ (Sale PSF − Purchase PSF) × AreaSo even if two owners sell into a similar resale market (similar Sale PSF), the one who bought at a meaningfully lower Purchase PSF captures a larger “spread” and is far more likely to profit. Conversely, buyers who entered at a high PSF can easily lose money if resale PSFs don’t exceed their entry price (and in real life, they must also clear transaction costs).The graphic itself reinforces this with the headline claim:- Profited: entered as low as $1,101 psf- Lost: bought up to $1,677 psfIf resale PSFs cluster around (say) $1,4xx–$1,6xx, then buying at ~$1,677 psf leaves little room—or none at all—for gains.Urban Vista Profitability ChartUnit TypeBlockLevelUnitArea (sqft)Date of PurchasePurchase (PSF)Purchase PriceDate of SaleSale (PSF)Sale PriceProfit (PSF)Profit (Amount)Holding PeriodAnnualised3BR1673079722 Apr 20131,4441,150,00010 Mar 20261,6071,280,000163130,00012y 10m 16d0.83%1BR16133244116 Apr 20131,575695,08512 Feb 20261,650728,0007532,91512y 9m 27d0.36%3BR250189323 Apr 20191,3771,230,00016 Jan 20261,7351,550,000358320,0006y 8m 23d3.49%3BR613091,45322 Oct 20131,1011,600,00012 Jan 20261,3762,000,000275400,00012y 2m 21d1.84%1BR1673244123 Apr 20131,515668,60616 Dec 20251,665735,00015066,39412y 8m 12d0.75%2BR1815381,01212 Sep 20131,2161,230,00011 Dec 20251,2851,300,0006970,00012y 2m 29d0.45%2BR651154915 Apr 20131,564858,32710 Dec 20251,649905,0008546,67312y 7m 25d0.42%3BR1632979702 Dec 20131,3661,088,00027 Nov 20251,4691,170,00010382,00011y 11m 23d0.61%What the table shows (and why purchase price dominates)1) The “spread” (Sale PSF − Purchase PSF) explains the profitLook at two contrasting examples:- Big winner via low entry PSF- 3BR (Block 6, #13-09): bought at $1,101 psf, sold at $1,376 psf- Spread: +275 psf- On 1,453 sqft, that’s roughly 275 × 1,453 ≈ $399k, matching the chart’s $400k profit.- Small winner via high entry PSF- 1BR (Block 16, #13-32): bought at $1,575 psf, sold at $1,650 psf- Spread: +75 psf- On 441 sqft, that’s 75 × 441 ≈ $33k, matching $32,915.Both sold into broadly comparable resale PSFs (mid-$1,6xx), but the lower entry price created far more upside.2) The chart’s “lost at $1,677 psf” claim fits the same logicThe table itself lists only profitable examples, but the logic for losses is straightforward:- If someone bought at $1,677 psf and the resale market later supports (say) $1,550 psf, then:- Profit PSF = 1,550 − 1,677 = −127 psf (loss)- On ~800 sqft, gross loss ≈ 127 × 800 = $101,600, before transaction costs.So the “why” is not mysterious: overpaying relative to the resale ceiling compresses or eliminates the PSF spread.3) Even “profitable” deals can be underwhelming after time and costsNotice the annualised figures in the table: many are ~0.3% to 0.8% over ~12 years. That’s already a hint that:- A small PSF spread over a long hold can look “green” in absolute dollars,- Yet perform poorly once you include taxes, commissions, legal fees, interest, maintenance, and inflation/opportunity cost.Critical review of the chart (what it gets right—and what it leaves out)What it gets right- Purchase PSF is a primary driver of outcome when the eventual resale PSF range is bounded.- The table is internally consistent: Profit (PSF) aligns with Sale PSF − Purchase PSF, and Profit (Amount) broadly aligns with Profit (PSF) × Area.Key limitations / reasons to be cautious1. Selection bias / incomplete evidence- The table shown contains only profitable transactions (all Profit (PSF) are positive).- Yet the headline says “others lost,” implying additional rows not shown. Without those, the “lost at $1,677 psf” point is asserted, not demonstrated in this table.2. “Profit” appears to be gross (ignores transaction costs)- Real net outcome depends on seller’s stamp duties/ABSD (if any), agent commission, legal fees, mortgage interest, maintenance, renovations, and property tax.- A deal with +$30k to +$70k gross profit over ~12 years could plausibly be net negative after costs.3. Mixing unit types and purchase years- The rows combine 1BR/2BR/3BR, different blocks, different floors, and purchases in 2013 vs 2019.- Comparing outcomes across different unit segments can confound the “entry PSF” story with differences in unit desirability and market cycles.4. PSF alone can mask “why” the entry price differed- Low entry PSF might reflect less favorable stacks/views, inefficient layouts, low-floor units, facing noise, or distressed sales.- So “buy low” is true—but why it was low matters for resale liquidity.5. Annualised return shown, but not benchmarked- Without comparing to risk-free rates, inflation, or alternative assets over the same period, readers may over-interpret “profit” as “good investment.”The entry price sets your ceiling for successIn the Urban Vista examples shown, the resale PSFs cluster within a relatively tight band. That makes the purchase PSF the decisive lever:- Buy materially below where the market later trades → you can profit even if the project’s long-term appreciation is modest.- Buy at the top end of what the market will later pay (e.g., the chart’s “up to $1,677 psf”) → you’re relying on further multiple expansion that may never come, and costs can push you into losses.Practical implication: if you’re underwriting a condo purchase, spend more time validating your entry price vs realistic exit PSF, not just the project’s branding or headline “future potential.”
5 hours ago5 hr Author Staff Urban Vista: Why Some Owners Made Money While Others Lost — It Was Mostly the Price They PaidA common myth in property investing is that outcomes are driven mainly by timing the “right” year or picking the “right” project. The Urban Vista profitability chart tells a less glamorous, more practical story: many outcomes boil down to entry price—specifically, the purchase price per square foot (PSF) you locked in versus what the resale market eventually supported.At its simplest, the math is unforgiving:Profit (PSF) = Sale PSF − Purchase PSF Profit (Amount) ≈ (Sale PSF − Purchase PSF) × AreaIf two owners sell into a similar resale environment, the one who bought cheaper wins—often by a lot.> Pull-quote: “In a bounded resale market, your entry PSF largely determines whether you profit, break even, or lose.”What the Urban Vista table is really showingThe chart highlights a sharp contrast:- Profited — entered as low as $1,101 psf- Lost — bought up to $1,677 psfEven without seeing every losing transaction, the mechanism is clear. When resale prices don’t rise enough to clear a high entry PSF (plus costs), losses become likely.The table rows shown are all profitable examples, and they share a common trait: their owners sold at a PSF higher than they bought. But the size of the win varies dramatically—and that variance tracks the purchase PSF more than anything else.Two owners, two outcomes: the spread explains almost everythingConsider two transactions from the chart.Example A: The “bought well” owner (large profit)- 3BR (1,453 sqft) bought 22 Oct 2013 at $1,101 psf (≈ $1.60M)- Sold 12 Jan 2026 at $1,376 psf (≈ $2.00M)- Profit: +$275 psf, about $400,000 - Annualised (as shown): ~1.84%This is the classic “margin of safety” purchase. The resale PSF didn’t need to explode; it merely needed to be higher than a very favorable entry point.Example B: The “paid up” owner (small profit)- 1BR (441 sqft) bought 16 Apr 2013 at $1,575 psf (≈ $695k)- Sold 12 Feb 2026 at $1,650 psf (≈ $728k)- Profit: +$75 psf, about $32,915 - Annualised (as shown): ~0.36%Here, the resale PSF is decent, but the entry price left very little room for upside. The owner technically “profited” on paper, yet the gain is thin relative to the holding period.> Pull-quote: “When you enter near the top of what buyers will later pay, you’re not investing—you’re hoping.”Why buying at $1,677 psf can turn into lossesThe chart’s red label says “Lost — bought up to $1,677 psf.” The table excerpt shown doesn’t include those losing rows, but the logic doesn’t require them.Imagine an owner bought at $1,677 psf and later the market only supports $1,550 psf. That’s a −$127 psf spread. On a typical 800–900 sqft unit, that’s roughly a $100k+ gross loss—*before* paying agent fees, legal costs, and other expenses.And that “before costs” part matters, because costs are exactly what turn many small “profits” into real-world break-evens or losses.The uncomfortable truth: “Profitable” can still be a poor investmentSeveral transactions in the table show annualised returns around 0.36% to 0.83% across roughly 12 years. Even if gross profits are positive, these annualised figures hint at an important reality:- Long holding periods + modest PSF gains = weak compounding- Once you include selling commissions, legal fees, maintenance, property tax, mortgage interest, and inflation/opportunity cost, a slim profit margin can disappearIn other words, not all green numbers are good outcomes—especially after a decade.Critical review: what the chart gets right (and what it misses)What it gets right- Entry PSF is decisive when resale PSF has a practical ceiling.- The profit math is consistent: the listed Profit (PSF) aligns with Sale PSF − Purchase PSF, and Profit (Amount) broadly matches Profit (PSF) × Area.What it leaves out- Selection bias: the displayed table shows profitable examples; the “lost” claim points to data not shown here.- Gross vs net: “Profit” appears gross and may exclude meaningful costs that change the true result.- Mixed comparisons: different unit types (1BR/2BR/3BR), blocks, floors, and purchase years (2013 vs 2019) introduce noise—yet the entry-price pattern still stands out.- Why was entry PSF low? A cheap PSF can reflect stack issues, noise, low floors, layout compromises, or distressed circumstances. “Buy low” is useful advice only if the reason it’s low doesn’t impair resale demand.> Pull-quote: “PSF is the scoreboard—but the reasons behind a low PSF determine whether the ‘discount’ is real.”Conclusion: Your entry price sets your exit optionsThe Urban Vista takeaway is not that every low-PSF purchase becomes a home run, or that every high-PSF purchase is doomed. It’s that your entry price dictates how much the market needs to do for you.If you buy well below where comparable units later transact, you can succeed even in a mediocre appreciation environment. If you buy near the upper edge of what the market will bear, your upside narrows—and costs can push you into losses.In property investing, the most “predictable” edge is rarely a perfect forecast. It’s discipline at the point of entry: don’t overpay for the same eventual resale market.
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