Feng shui Ruler

[myfs_94479]

hi all,
I am confused. I saw a report from Robert Lee stating that the feng shui ruler has the yang measurements at the top of the ruler. I suppose these yang measurements refer to
internal measurements made to the living such as doors etc.
However, i have came across readings that pointed out that the measurements are actually meant for external or yin feng shui. I got a software which states the same. so, i am confused as to which is which.
Please advice.
regards

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Spencer,
You have to understand that not all Feng Shui rulers were created the same. In fact, there are as many as 4 to 5 versions of the Feng Shui Ruler.
In fact, majority of the rulers OFTEN, have the top most readings for Yang Feng Shui. But, I have seen some FS rulers that have purely Yin Feng Shui alone or on the top as what you had mentioned.
Reference page for Feng Shui ruler in Geomancy.net:-
http://www.geomancy.net/resources/theories/fs-ruler.htm
Warmest Regards,
Cecil

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On 7/29/2003 8:00:25 AM, Anonymous wrote:
hi all,
I am confused. I saw a report
from Robert Lee stating that
the feng shui ruler has the
yang measurements at the top
of the ruler. I suppose these
yang measurements refer to
internal measurements made to
the living such as doors etc.
However, i have came across
readings that pointed out that
the measurements are actually
meant for external or yin feng
shui. I got a software which
states the same. so, i am
confused as to which is which.
Please advice.
regards

[myfs_94479]

Thanks for your reply.
I guess i was not very clear with my question. I do not mean whether the markings is at the top or bottom. But the issue is that the 8 repeated sections here refers to the yang feng shui and the 10 repeated sections used for Yin feng shui. But i got other inputs that the 8 repeated sections are meant for external measurements and 10 repeated sections for internal measurements. So the question really is Yang/Yin or external/internal measurements?
regards
spencer

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On 7/29/2003 8:08:32 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Dear Spencer,
You have to understand that
not all Feng Shui rulers were
created the same. In fact,
there are as many as 4 to 5
versions of the Feng Shui
Ruler.
In fact, majority of the
rulers OFTEN, have the top
most readings for Yang Feng
Shui. But, I have seen some FS
rulers that have purely Yin
Feng Shui alone or on the top
as what you had mentioned.
Reference page for Feng Shui
ruler in Geomancy.net:-
http://www.geomancy.net/resour
ces/theories/fs-ruler.htm
Warmest Regards,
Cecil
On 7/29/2003 8:00:25 AM, spencer spencer
wrote:
hi all,
I am confused. I saw a report
from Robert Lee stating that
the feng shui ruler has the
yang measurements at the top
of the ruler. I suppose these
yang measurements refer to
internal measurements made to
the living such as doors etc.
However, i have came across
readings that pointed out that
the measurements are actually
meant for external or yin feng
shui. I got a software which
states the same. so, i am
confused as to which is which.
Please advice.
regards

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Spencer,
1. The first ever documented information on the Chinese Feng Shui ruler was in the Sung dynasty - where the imperial furniture maker made furniture based on the 8 sections or for Yang (homes for the living).
2. For example, in the past, to illustrate - feng shui dimensions of a door is taken from the interior dimension of the door frame.
3. In this example, it is not right to take say the hypothesis of the external frame with auspicious measurements based on e.g. the 8 sectors measurement and take the interior frame measurement with the 10 sectors measurement.
4. Here, since the main door is such a critical element or often we called this the most critical qi flow into the home or the `mouth' of the home, the EXACT mouth should (MUST) be auspicious based on the Yang 8 sectors measurement.
5. In fact, often, the external frame and internal frame dimensions can also fall within auspiciousness under the 8 sectors ruler.
6. From what I understand from the first documented material on the Feng Shui ruler; Yang Feng Shui thus uses the 8 sectors. Where there are 4 good and 4 bad sectors on the Feng Shui ruler.
7. No offence: But, frankly, Feng Shui is all about harmony and balance and often, many of us cannot afford to tailor-made our furniture.
For example, in Singapore, in the past and even present many business use "standard table length sizes".
Such as:
Clerical Officer (Customer Relations Officer) length = 4 feet
Supervisors/Assistant Managers/Managers = 5 feet length
5 feet length is suppose to be auspicious while 4 feet length is not.
Does it mean that it spells doom for the Clerical officers? In today's world, in Singapore, retrenchment are equal or even more for middle-managers than clerical staff.
Can we blame inauspicious table for business failure?
8. In Feng Shui, often what matters most e.g. for a built in cupboard is not the internal measurement (here, when we close the door) it becomes a vacuum area and cannot be seen!
Frankly, there are better things to do in life than to carry a measuring tape to measure all the `interior' of "all" cabinets.
In my opinion, the morale of this story is " TOO FREE " - perhaps, this can explain or be the excuse we may want to use for e.g. a business .. failure.
There are measurements for Yang vs Yin buildings. And, lesser likelyhood to `justify' for such a luxury like " a different measurement for internal measure."
Whatever it is; please do not post my message or any parts of it to any other forums or site. I want to have nothing to do with these people.
Cheers!
Warmest Regards,
Cecil

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On 7/30/2003 3:02:09 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for your reply.
I guess i was not
very clear with my question. I do not
mean whether the markings is at the top
or bottom. But the issue is that the 8
repeated sections here refers to the
yang feng shui and the 10 repeated
sections used for Yin feng shui. But i
got other inputs that the 8 repeated
sections are meant for external
measurements and 10 repeated sections
for internal measurements. So the
question really is Yang/Yin or
external/internal
measurements?

regards
spencer
On

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Spencer,
Further to what I had mentioned; if we look at it from a different perspective:
"an eight sector formula co-exists within it's own internal workings."
"In my opinion, it is difficult to see how another formula "such as the 10 sector" could have being worked into the interior measurements."
Assuming that even if we do use the 10 sectors for the interior: in my opinion, it seems highly impractical to have different thickness of wood - "to fit" or accomodate the measurements. (Since - different formulas would "create" or cause to create different lengths of wood (thickness size).
Imagine, what it is like today. Most furniture makers will either charge an exhorbitant fee or (think) that the designer of the furniture had "flew over the cuckoo's nest".
Warmest Regards,
Cecil

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On 7/30/2003 9:44:19 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Dear Spencer,
1. The first ever documented
information on the Chinese
Feng Shui ruler was in the
Sung dynasty - where the
imperial furniture maker made
furniture based on the 8
sections or for Yang (homes
for the living).
2. For example, in the past,
to illustrate - feng shui
dimensions of a door is taken
from the interior dimension of
the door frame.
3. In this example, it is not
right to take say the
hypothesis of the external
frame with auspicious
measurements based on e.g. the
8 sectors measurement and take
the interior frame measurement
with the 10 sectors
measurement.
4. Here, since the main door
is such a critical element or
often we called this the most
critical qi flow into the home
or the `mouth' of the home,
the EXACT mouth should (MUST)
be auspicious based on the
Yang 8 sectors measurement.
5. In fact, often, the
external frame and internal
frame dimensions can also fall
within auspiciousness under
the 8 sectors ruler.
6. From what I understand from
the first documented material
on the Feng Shui ruler; Yang
Feng Shui thus uses the 8
sectors. Where there are 4
good and 4 bad sectors on the
Feng Shui ruler.
7. No offence: But, frankly,
Feng Shui is all about harmony
and balance and often, many of
us cannot afford to
tailor-made our furniture.
For example, in Singapore, in
the past and even present many
business use "standard table
length sizes".
Such as:
Clerical Officer (Customer
Relations Officer) length = 4
feet
Supervisors/Assistant
Managers/Managers = 5 feet
length
5 feet length is suppose to be
auspicious while 4 feet length
is not.
Does it mean that it spells
doom for the Clerical
officers? In today's world, in
Singapore, retrenchment are
equal or even more for
middle-managers than clerical
staff.
Can we blame inauspicious
table for business failure?
8. In Feng Shui, often what
matters most e.g. for a built
in cupboard is not the
internal measurement (here,
when we close the door) it
becomes a vacuum area and
cannot be seen!
Frankly, there are better
things to do in life than to
carry a measuring tape to
measure all the `interior' of
"all" cabinets.
In my opinion, the morale of
this story is " TOO FREE " -
perhaps, this can explain or
be the excuse we may want to
use for e.g. a business ..
failure.
There are measurements for
Yang vs Yin buildings. And,
lesser likelyhood to `justify'
for such a luxury like " a
different measurement for
internal measure."
Whatever it is; please do not
post my message or any parts
of it to any other forums or
site. I want to have nothing
to do with these people.
Cheers!
Warmest Regards,
Cecil

[Cecil Lee]

I forgot to mention, here...
Most probably, the most logical means to support what was mentioned " internal measurement " could instead imply i.e. "for-the-dead" who is often "ENCLOSED INSIDE" A coffin or inside the building housing the dead.
Here, in my opinion, it would "therefore make more sense that the interior measurement USES the 10 sectors.
Perhaps, this could explain why, some people may have mistaken that it can be used together.
In another example, I had previously mentioned the 2-Step and 3-Step method for counting steps.
If we are to feasibly use both "formulas" something has to give. We would need to MERGE the measurements into ONE measurement - to make much sense of these two different repeating counts.
Warmest Regards,
Cecil

[myfs_94479]

Note: Yes, Spencer; please do use the 8 sector measurement for Yang (for the living). As mentioned earlier, this has been used as early as the Sung Imperial carpenters to built furniture/doors etc... for their emperors. Cecil
Hi Cecil
Thank you so much for a very informative session.
I have came across two other writers who mentioned that
the 8 sectors measurement being used for all
measurements. Nothing was distinguished between Yin and
Yang measurements or 8 or 10 sector measurements. So that
makes 3 of you.
Then i came to another writer who stated that the 8
sectors are meant for external measurements such as
fences, gates (not tombs). And the 10 sector
measurements are used for internal measurements meaning
desks, cupboards etc. Again nothing to do with yin/yang
feng shui. But so far, only one such writer.
So, there's where my confusion is. If the 10 sector
is used for yin feng shui, why should there be 10 and
not the usual 8? I know sometimes it is difficult to
know exactly unless we are historians. Besides, a lot
of these information were destroyed thousand of years
ago. I would propably use the 8 sector convention
as the standard for these measurements. Thanks again!!
regards
spencer

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On 7/30/2003 12:29:49 PM, Anonymous wrote:
I forgot to mention, here...
Most probably, the most
logical means to support what
was mentioned " internal
measurement " could instead
imply i.e. "for-the-dead" who
is often "ENCLOSED INSIDE" A
coffin or inside the building
housing the dead.
Here, in my opinion, it would
"therefore make more sense
that the interior measurement
USES the 10 sectors.
Perhaps, this could explain
why, some people may have
mistaken that it can be used
together.
In another example, I had
previously mentioned the
2-Step and 3-Step method for
counting steps.
If we are to feasibly use both
"formulas" something has to
give. We would need to MERGE
the measurements into ONE
measurement - to make much
sense of these two different
repeating counts.
Warmest Regards,
Cecil