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    Dear Jerry,
    This is where you are wrong. Many Feng Shui Masters can do the Ba Zhi even
    without the Hour of birth especially when it is not known like in this case.
    And from the 3 pillars it is possible to deduce the hour of birth from
    looking at the major events that had happened.
    The most important Birth Element comes from the day of birth. If you do not
    have the day, month, year of birth or gender then I can say "sorry, there
    is no way one can do a proper Pillars of Destiny".
    For example, Raymond Lo has also done Pillars of Destiny calculations for
    famous people without time of birth.
    Similiarly many Masters have also done Pillars of Destiny without the time
    of birth when they are unable to obtain them. For example Master Zhao of
    China, Master Liang of Hong Kong and many other Masters have done pillars
    without the time of birth when they are unknown, in such cases you see the
    hour of birth left with a X. This is normally done when the details of the
    hour of birth are not available. The pillars resources and case studies are
    provided to help users understand Pillars better.
    Without the hour of birth, what one lack is one earthly branches and one
    heavenly stem. This only means that there will be at least 2 ten deities,
    some hidden elements and hidden deities which we cannot made known and that
    some additional combinations (especially 3 combination and double
    combination) may not occur. But, without hour of birth the Luck Pillars will
    still not change because it is deduced from the month of birth and the year
    of birth and gender. The various Ten Deities already deduced will not change
    as well. What is important is knowing how to interpret the details provided
    by the 6 or 8 pillars.
    Bill Gates Chart was chosen because, many users often asked us about wealth,
    and we wanted to show them how they can utilise such info with his chart.
    This was to provide a case study for users to understand a Pillars Report
    better and not all areas were fully analysed.
    We should not be merely `text' book oriented and have a one-track mind in
    thinking that Pillars must be calculated with all four: Year, Month, Day and
    Time. What is more important is to understand that in Real Life, not all
    people know their time of birth. For this reason, Pillars of Destiny has an
    " outlet " and therefore, if we do not know the time of birth, we can still
    do calculations. It is best that those who do not really know the true
    extent of Pillars do not `jump the gun'.

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    Plus, the Ba-qua symbol you have on the your home page is wrong. Please
    dig out some books to check it out!! Two types of Ba-qua exist. One is
    pre-heaven and the other is later-heaven. Thanks for reading this post.

    Please check out http://www.geomancy.net/fs/pakua.htm which was written about
    two years back. It is not possible for one logo to have the Fu Xi's Former
    Heaven and Second Heaven Bagua.
    I am not sure what is your motive of saying such remarks especially on our
    site's Logo or graphics:-
    1. These are not teaching materials but decorative icons of our site.
    2. Learning resources are found at http://www.geomancy.net/fs/theory.htm
    This is a gentle reminder not to " flame " in this forum. We take a serious
    view against anyone flaming in the conference as most users here to learn
    rather than read messages with a `hidden' agenda. (I am specifically
    refering to comments on our Bagua logo).
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil Lee
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Listmanager
    To:
    Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 8:29 AM
    Subject: Re: your sample report on pillars-of-destiny

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    From: "Jerry Chu"
    This message is sent from "pillars-of-destiny" Mailing List.
    I saw a little of the report on Bill Gates.
    I just "do not" understand how you guys can come up with such a report
    when you did not
    have Bill Gates's time of birth!!! Remember it is called Ba Zi(eight
    characters), and now you only have six characters; and you still can come up
    with a report. That is amazing to me!! It is unbelievable !! Personally, I
    study feng-shui and ba zi myself, but I never think you can do it without
    the time of birth. I think your report is simple and full of B.S.
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  2. Further to the message below the " exact " URL should be:
    http://www.geomancy.net/fs/photo1.htm
    Thanks.
    Cecil
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Listmanager
    To: Recipients of 'pillars-of-destiny' suppressed 'pillars-of-destiny' suppressed>
    Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 2:41 PM
    Subject: Re: Is it appropiate to place toilet in the north sector ?

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    From: "Cecil Lee"
    This message is sent from "pillars-of-destiny" Mailing List.
    Dear Mr Teh,
    If you click on this URL: http://www.geomancy.net/fs/theory.htm, you will
    find an " old house " in Singapore that fits the Feng Shui model exactly.
    The above house is based on the `perfect' model of North = Water
    (bathroom),
    South (an octagon or fire roof) etc...
    Although in the above example, you will see that the bathroom is in the
    North, the old architects had cleverly placed the toilet bowl, off North or
    0 degrees.
    Why is this so?
    The reason is because, generally the toilet bowl is inauspicious and by
    placing it on the cardinal points e.g. North, NE, East, SE, South, SW and
    NW, it may `land' on one of the e.g. personal directions of a person. To be
    more exact, in the above house, it also does not fall within 15 degree
    increments starting from 0 degrees so that it cannot land on one of the
    compass 24 directions of the Flying Star Chart where there are 24
    directions.
    In Feng Shui, there is the Life Aspirations/Associations or Eight
    Associations where each direction is given a significance e.g. North =
    Career etc...
    We have in this forum mentioned that although " identifying " each sector
    is
    part of finding out the meaning of the various trigrams, it is not `valid'
    to use this so widely.
    Why?
    This is because using North = Career is like saying that you are using a
    fixed template. Unlike the Eight House Theory, where we have our
    personalised Gua Number, the Life Aspirations uses none. It is like saying
    that everyone's career sector is = North. If you examine it closely, if it
    is so simple as this, can it work?
    I had given an earlier example of three persons chasing a girl in the
    office. All three competition to place a rose etc.. at their romance
    corner.
    As there is only one girl, who will get her? Not possible three of `us'.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Listmanager
    To: Recipients of 'pillars-of-destiny' suppressed 'pillars-of-destiny' suppressed>
    Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 7:50 PM
    Subject: Is it appropiate to place toilet in the north sector ?
    From: "Mk Teh"
    This message is sent from "pillars-of-destiny" Mailing List.
    Hi,
    I have read articles on the elements for different sectors in a home. One
    thing that puzlled me is that it is considered inaspicious to place
    toilet/bath room in the north sector (career sector), the contradiction is
    there's water generated in toilet and bathroom. What's your opinion ?
    Best Regards,
    MK

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  3. Dear Fraser,
    (This is not directed towards your message).
    I like to highlight that colours and its symbolish are secondary to Feng
    Shui.
    What is more important is to get the basics correct especially the following
    areas:-
    1. Under the Shapes and Form School, it is best that the site enjoys good
    Feng Shui e.g. under the Four symbolic Animals Concept etc...
    2. Under the Flying Star, there are no bad influences and if so, do correct
    them.
    3. Any adverse sha or pointed arrows pointing towards your main entrance
    door or windows.
    The above are the main influences of Feng Shui.
    The rest like clothing etc... are secondary.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Listmanager
    To: Recipients of 'feng-shui-tips' suppressed 'feng-shui-tips' suppressed>
    Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 11:06 AM
    Subject: Elements, directions & colours Part 4

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    From: "Fraser Caldwell"
    This message is sent from "feng-shui-tips" Mailing List.
    Hi,
    What happens when you've got a situation where you have a thing which has
    different elements for each of its different properties: e.g. a green
    triangle (wood/fire)
    or a tall, rectangular piece of wood painted red (wood/fire)?
    Can you increase the effectiveness of something by combining multiple
    properties in the one object - e.g. a cube shaped (with SOFT corners and
    edges) rock that is yellowish/earth coloured, in the centre of the house -
    thus combining four 'earth'-like properties - shape, element, colour and


    location.

    Quote

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  4. Dear Mr Teh,
    If you click on this URL: http://www.geomancy.net/fs/theory.htm, you will
    find an " old house " in Singapore that fits the Feng Shui model exactly.
    The above house is based on the `perfect' model of North = Water (bathroom),
    South (an octagon or fire roof) etc...
    Although in the above example, you will see that the bathroom is in the
    North, the old architects had cleverly placed the toilet bowl, off North or
    0 degrees.
    Why is this so?
    The reason is because, generally the toilet bowl is inauspicious and by
    placing it on the cardinal points e.g. North, NE, East, SE, South, SW and
    NW, it may `land' on one of the e.g. personal directions of a person. To be
    more exact, in the above house, it also does not fall within 15 degree
    increments starting from 0 degrees so that it cannot land on one of the
    compass 24 directions of the Flying Star Chart where there are 24
    directions.
    In Feng Shui, there is the Life Aspirations/Associations or Eight
    Associations where each direction is given a significance e.g. North =
    Career etc...
    We have in this forum mentioned that although " identifying " each sector is
    part of finding out the meaning of the various trigrams, it is not `valid'
    to use this so widely.
    Why?
    This is because using North = Career is like saying that you are using a
    fixed template. Unlike the Eight House Theory, where we have our
    personalised Gua Number, the Life Aspirations uses none. It is like saying
    that everyone's career sector is = North. If you examine it closely, if it
    is so simple as this, can it work?
    I had given an earlier example of three persons chasing a girl in the
    office. All three competition to place a rose etc.. at their romance corner.
    As there is only one girl, who will get her? Not possible three of `us'.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Listmanager
    To: Recipients of 'pillars-of-destiny' suppressed 'pillars-of-destiny' suppressed>
    Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 7:50 PM
    Subject: Is it appropiate to place toilet in the north sector ?

    Quote
    From: "Mk Teh"
    This message is sent from "pillars-of-destiny" Mailing List.
    Hi,
    I have read articles on the elements for different sectors in a home. One
    thing that puzlled me is that it is considered inaspicious to place
    toilet/bath room in the north sector (career sector), the contradiction is
    there's water generated in toilet and bathroom. What's your opinion ?
    Best Regards,
    MK

  5. Dear Shelley,
    Thank you for your valuable comments.
    Personally, wherever we can will continue to highlight the various practises
    and leave it to everyone to make their own personal judgement.
    Please see below:-
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Listmanager
    To: Recipients of 'free-advice' suppressed suppressed>
    Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 1:52 PM
    Subject: Conflicting Advice

    Quote
    From: "Shelley Eagle"
    This message is sent from "free-advice" Mailing List.
    Dear Cecil,
    Firstly thank you for answering previous questions. I always look forward
    to, and value your comments. The problem I'm struggling with at the moment
    is as the topic says, "Conflicting Advice". I have done as you suggested,
    and have read a large number of Feng Shui books by various authors. I know
    that there are differing schools of Feng Shui and that slight discrepancies
    should be expected. Your opinion will be appreciated on the following:
    (a)1. Pa Kua (Ba Gua) mirrors should only be used outside the house, mainly
    above the front door.


    1. On the use of the Ba Gua mirrors:
    In my personal opinion it is common for Chinese households to place the
    Ba Gua mirrors above their main door to `ward off evil'. Some of these Ba
    Gua mirrors also have A Twin Door God painted below it.
    However, as Feng Shui is internationalised, I am not sure how effective
    it is for other `Races' or `Religion' to use the mirrors. What I mean is
    that if it is `ward off evil', and if your region is predominantly
    Christian, I think `wandering ghosts' or `Christian ghosts' (pardon me if I
    mention this in a general sense), may not be afraid of such a configuration.
    In parts of Thailand and Indonesia where " black magic" is practised, some
    Chinese priests do i.e the Ba Gua to counter these.
    As I mention, this is my personal thoughts on the matter of using the Ba Gua
    mirror to `ward off' evil. My current opinion is that it MAY not be
    effective to `ward off evil' for races other than the " Chinese ". I am not
    sure if one is a Chinese in Canada or US and its effectiveness for them
    unless maybe in the predominant Chinatown area. Anyway I am just thinking
    out loud on the above. I may be wrong but this is what I truly feel.

    Quote
    2. Pa Kua mirrors can be used anywhere inside or out.

    This is why, I prefer to use the Ba Gua mirror as a last resort. Only to
    counteract " Sha Qi ". Here Sha Qi or poison arrows are the same any where
    in the world. It is easier to apply it under this category.
    The Ba Gua mirror should not be installed inside a home as it is considered
    " overpowering " due to its Yang energy.

    Quote
    (b)1. Wind chimes are very good for attracting chi.
    2. Feng Shui advices removing wind chimes from your home. They attract
    negative energy and traditionally signify illness.

    If one has no knowledge of Feng Shui; find a nice wind chime and hang it up
    at a location. It is usually perfectly OK if you are using your personal
    feelings / instincts to place the wind chime.
    There are those who go to the extremes:-
    1. Since they read from a book or several books that " wind chimes " are
    good, it is the tendency for human beings to go out and buy not one but a
    few wind chimes to hang in the home.
    This category of people who " read between " the lines need to be careful.
    In our personal `greed' to enrich ourselves, we ultimately tend to overdo
    it.

    Quote
    3. Wind chimes should never be used inside the house.

    No this is not true. You can hang wind chimes but there are a few factors to
    consider:-
    1. Wind chimes are made of different materials and it may complicate things
    if you hire a `maverick' Feng Shui practioner out to make money. He/She will
    ultimately ask you to purchase not less than 2 or 3 or even more...
    Here it is akin to " over eating " which may cause heart problem, obsesity
    etc... In Feng Shui, there is a higher percentage that it will be placed at
    a location that may affect a person.
    2. Hanging too many wind chimes can cause mental illness or sickness.
    If you have the time, try searching for " wind chime" and there are quite
    alot of correspondence of the ill effects of hanging too many wind chimes.
    3. Try to avoid hanging wind chimes at " Yin " locations e.g. a tree at the
    back yard next to the cemetry etc... as the wrong wave length or sound may
    attract playful imps which may cause nightmares.

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    (c)1. Three legged frogs, coins, etc should be used in Feng shui to bring
    good luck.

    This is commercial and no merits in Feng Shui.

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    (d)1. Chandeliers are very auspicious as they attract good chi, especially
    in the entrance.
    2. Don't use Chandelier's as they are bad Feng Shui.

    Go more for Interior Design aspect. If it is a large living room or high
    ceiling, it is ok to install a chandelier.
    This is based on Feng Shui by "six sense". You like it you by it. (Here,
    you do not even know that Feng shui has existed.)
    If one knows Feng Shui:-
    1. Is the chandelier very large? If it is blends nicely in the living room,
    it is not "over powering". Get it if you want to.
    2. If you are `pushed' into buying one, ask the Feng Shui practioner why SO?
    If the FS practioner says it is to enhance your Qi, then don't buy it. You
    do not need to enhance Feng Shui by buying and buying `decorations'.
    3. Normally Chandelier's are more appropriate for larger premises e.g. those
    found in Hotels especially those built in the 1970s to 1980s.
    4. It also depends on the crystal. If it is pointed and pointing downwards,
    it is equivalent of many poision arrows pointed downwards.
    5. Symbolism in Feng Shui is equally important:-
    /\
    / \
    | |
    Anything that points upwards is auspicious but lighting pointing downwards
    is not auspicious.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil Lee
  6. Dear Lisa,
    Frankly, this figurine is " remotely related " to Feng Shui.
    Under Chinese belief, yes, it should face `into' the house where one can
    accumulate luck. As for the placement, in general, place it at a location
    you personally feel comfortable with.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Subject: 3 leg Toad

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    My mom bought me a 3 legged Toad with/money coin . I am not sure where or
    how to place it. I was told the best way was with the back facing the door.
    Is this right?
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  7. Dear Erika,
    In my opinion, I consider this more an `environmental issue'. Perhaps, you
    may have to " discuss " with your neighour whether it is possible to
    `redirect' this air e.g. using a funnel away from your home. If not, maybe
    your local authories can help.
    Overall, this is `new' to Feng Shui i.e. the modern invention of an exhaust
    fan, but it is generally inauspicious (bad Qi) and you should try to resolve
    it.
    Warmest Regards,
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    Subject: neighbourly relations

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    If one neighbour exhausts the fumes from their cooking into another's
    backyard what does feng shui have to say about this? Could there be any
    principle that would prohibit the moving of the exhaust vent, i.e. placement
    of stove within the kitchen?
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  8. Dear Brigitte,
    Thanks for bring up this interesting question:-
    1. Human beings are very complex and currently there are many books written
    on human relationships, motivation, human interaction etc... but so far no
    book can explain in detail our personal interations.
    2. Some situations are based on the maturity of the couples and the way they
    tolerate each other.
    3. There are many influences on our lifes and relations such as our
    upbringing, education, personal experiences etc...
    This is why, sometimes our Pillars of Destiny i.e. our Heaven Chart based on
    our birth chart changes and this can be explained in an example:-
    If you do a search, I mentioned the Right and Left Brain Theory which
    relates to Yin and Yang. For Example, in a person's Pillars of Destiny
    chart, the child has lots of Yin elements. Here, it would suggest that the
    child is more artistic, more dimensional. However, if the child has a
    brillant mother or parent who develops the child's learning abilities e.g.
    in making mathematics interesting and later on, is great at maths and goes
    into other mathematical studies.... Here, you see that education changes the
    child's inclination through his/her interests etc...
    4. For those who have studied management: it also depends on the situation
    and circumstances. For example, our interaction differs when we are relaxed
    as opposed to time constraints etc...
    As mentioned above, search for " brain " in this forum for more details on
    our " left and right brain " in relation to Yin and Yang concept.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Subject: East and West group people

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    I understand that east and west group people tend to be different and often
    not compatible.
    Can anyone describe the characteristics of each group. Do they correspond
    to Yin and Yang predominance? Or introvert/extrovert distinctions?
    Thanks Bits
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  9. Dear Joe,
    Symbolism in Feng Shui is equally important i.e. Blue symbolises " Water. "
    In the Book of I-Ching, Water means having difficulties:-
    1. If an entire roof is covered with `water' (blue) one can imagine the
    amount of problems the household will get. The amount of `water' weighing
    down on one's home is enormous.
    2. As I mentioned also that too much water in relation to the home e.g.
    greater than 33.3 percent is equally bad as too much water results in an Yin
    environment.
    3. I have seen quite alot of occupants of houses with `blue' roofs facing
    difficulties and this correlates to what you have mentioned and to me, I
    believe it is bad to have blue tiled roof.
    4. The ideal tiles are the `clay' orange or red hue tiles.
    What about Green?
    One should not purposely use Green roof tiles. But if so, it is ok because
    it symbolises `greenery'.
    A few years ago... I remembered one of my friends telling me that his
    house's `clay' (orange) tiles were covered in green algae during that time
    he had enormous luck winning lots of things etc... However, after he had the
    entire roof cleaned, things went to normal. He thus regretted cleaning away
    the `green' from the roof.
    (This does not mean that everyone will get lucky with green roofs.)
    One lesson here is that we cannot assume that all " water features " are
    auspicious to the household. If we are not careful, one can be " drowned "
    by water.
    Warmest Regards
    Cecil
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    Cecil,
    You mentioned something about a blue roof being bad. Can you explain? A
    neighbor has shingles on her roof that are blue, so that the entire roof is
    blue. She has had a run of bad luck, i.e., falls, family troubles, etc. I
    wonder if there is a connection?
    Thanks.
    --Joe
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  10. Dear Ber,
    Frankly, so far I have not explored any sites that contain I-Ching on the
    Internet. Perhaps, you can go to any of the popular search engines and try
    to search for them.
    Off hand, I do not have with me books on I-Ching but if you go to any of the
    popular book stores, you should easily be able to find one or two books on
    I-Ching. Here you can start to `learn' how to use the I-Ching.
    More...
    1. There are two methods of interpretating the meaning of the I-Ching: a.
    Some books have interpreted for you the meaning. b. Some use the 5 elements
    concept. What this means is that after you had `constructed' your I-Ching
    hexagram, you either use method a. or b.
    Method A. would depend on the quality of interpretation. Method B is similar
    to analysing the Five Elements - Productive and Destructive sequence.
    2. Most books will teach you to think of a question, toss three coins each
    time....
    The advanced I-Ching software are most likely developed in-house by Stock
    Traders and it is highly unlikely that they will sell these software ....
    perhaps, do try to search around.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Subject: Prediction

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    Hi Cecil
    I learnt from your site that the most appropriate tool to predict stocks is
    the use of the I-Ching model.
    Can you explain more on this? Where can I
    find more about the I-ching?
    IS there any more ways to predict stocks, big sweep?
    I understand some of the sites had ways to predict these but no idea how to
    get to there.
    Thanks
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  11. Dear Earth,
    Some of us can `tolerate' mirrors while others cannot.
    In your case, there are a few remedies:-
    1. To get someone to install an opaque film on the mirrored sliding closet
    doors. This is very effective and costs little.
    2. Alternatively, you can try to buy some posters and `scotched' taped them
    on the cupboard in such a way that they cannot be `seen'. However, you may
    need to replace the poster often or it may `drop' down due to the weight and
    in the long run unsigthly scotch tape stains.
    Warmest Regards
    Cecil
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    I just posted this in Discussion-Session, and probably should have posted
    it here. I was just reading up on the negative aspects of mirrors facing the
    bed in the bedroom, but our condo has HUGE mirrored sliding closet doors.
    There is no way to escape them...any ideas? I also find I have a lot of
    nightmares in this room. The bed is diagonally in the corner and is pointed
    SW (unfortunately) but when it was directed South along the main wall the
    nightmares were worse. Love to hear feed back either on this forum or
    directly at earthcalendar@hotmail.com
    Thank you in advance.

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  12. Dear Dekay,
    Please see below:-
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    Subject: my roofs are sloped

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    help! my roofs are sloped. what can i do to
    "cure" this. One is sloped at the back, which is the south, and the other
    is at the north.


    Frankly, there is no effective cure for such a roof.

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    Also, my house has a single lamp pole and large tree, right in front. It's
    not between the main door, though. is that okay? When you walk into the
    house, you will \ immediately see the fireplace. Any cures to that?

    Since it is not between the main door, this is OK. If it is between a
    window, you need to cure this. One way is to use `thicker' curtains.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil

  13. Dear Dr Muthu,
    In practice, usually when a next door neighour has a main door that faces
    each other; one neighbour may place a Ba Gua (Pa Kua) concave mirror above
    the door. In such a situation, the neighbour has no choice but to use a
    convex mirror to conteract the concave mirror.
    The Ba Gua mirror depends on the thinking or mindset and the use varies with
    " different people ":-
    1. Some practioners or practioners who combine Feng Shui with religion may
    go all out to advise each and every household they come in contact with to
    place a Ba Gua mirror above their house even if there is no sha qi or
    poision arrow.
    These group believe that by placing the Ba Gua mirror above the house, it
    wards off evil coming into the house. This group may advise one to place a
    Ba Gua mirror at the frontage of the house and not necessarily at the main
    entrance door. Sometimes, they may ask the household to use a regular
    mirror instead of the Ba Gua mirror.
    In my opinion, please take such advice with a pinch of salt.
    2. Other practioners are " selective " and ONLY advise those to place a Ba
    Gua mirror to deflect poision arrow towards the main entrance door. If you
    are standing on the steps of your main entrance door and look out and notice
    that the tree is in direct line `slicing' part of your main door, then this
    is considered sha chi.
    Currently there are four methods of dealing with this (not in any order of
    importance):-
    1. Change the angle of the door to face one of your best directions i.e.
    tilt the door to one that faces one of your good directions. This is said to
    `kill' two birds with one stone.
    2. If your main entrance door is elevated, you can have semi-circular steps
    leading to the house. This is one technique of `radiating' sha ch' away from
    your main entrance.
    3. Alternatively, if your main entrance is level to your external of the
    house, you could consider a specially made semi-circular carpet e.g. of half
    of a sun with it's fiery sunlight (spikes) radiating away from the main
    entrance door.
    4. Hang a pakua above the main entrance door.
    However, in your case, so long as the posion arrow is not aimed at your main
    entrance door or a window at the frontage of the house, one should not be
    using a Ba Gua.
    My advise is if one is unsure to use the Ba Gua or not, then don't use it.
    This is because it is never wise to `play' with Feng Shui. It is best to get
    your basics correct e.g. your element and its strength; relate this with the
    Flying Star Chart of your house etc....
    In your case, plants are the ideal situation for a barrier between your
    house and the road.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    I have read that there are Pa Kua with concave & convex mirror - when do
    you use each ?
    I was advised to place a concave Pa Kua mirror at the front portion of my
    house facing south with the road slightly off to one side of my gate , but
    not in line with my Main entrance door . There is a drain directly in front
    of the gate on the other side of the road in front of my house , with a line
    of coconut trees by the side of the drain . I read somewhere that a concave
    mirror will absorb all the 'bad chi' of the poison arrow - the road etc. But
    it meets up with the wall of the car porch and does not affect the Main door
    .. What is your advice regards the Pa KUa concave mirror - keep it or remove
    it "
    Thanks
    Dr.Y.Muthu
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  14. Dear Marissa,
    Please see below:-
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    Subject: bedroom colors

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    i have a natal number of 4 and an annual number of 1. my eight-house is
    the north house, which is perfect since all 3 entrances to my house face
    north. my bedroom is in the southeast of the house with windows facing the
    east. my bathroom is in the north, my bed is in the southeast of the room,
    facing the southwest. i have a mirrored closet in the wast of my room along
    with metal picture frames. wooden closets are in the south and a bookshelf
    is in the northeast of the room. however, i'm interested in a good color
    scheme for the room which receives a descent amount of sunlight...


    There are three ways to go about doing the colour schemes:-
    1. If unsure, use a neutral colour like white for the room.
    2. The most accurate way is to:-
    Step 1: Look at the Flying Star Chart of the House. For example, if
    there is a Five Yellow or a bad 5 star at a location, it is best to avoid
    earth colours like yellow. If not, this will enhance the earth colour.
    Step 2: Your pillars element and its strength is important. For
    example, if you are a weak Fire person, you can paint the room `pink'.
    Alternatively if you are a Strong Fire person, you need to cool down by
    using light blue.
    3. As a last resort, if you do not have any of the above, you may have to
    use your personal `instincts' and choose whatever colour you like but try to
    use pastel or light colours.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
  15. Dear Hanan,
    Please see below:-
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    Subject: i need some help in my directions

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    my bathroom is in between south east and the east, is this a good
    direction, and if not, how can i improve the situation.


    If you have a compass, you can find the exact direction of your toilet
    (mainly the toilet bowl). Where best it should not preferably at exact
    Compass directions e.g. 0 degrees, 45 degrees, 90 degrees, 135 degrees, 180
    degrees, 225 degrees, 270 degrees, 315 degrees.
    This is because most likely if a toilet is at these locations, it may fall
    in one of the auspicious sectors.

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    Also, my front door is facing the south direction, i know this is bad luck,
    what can i do to help the situation.
    Please note that i am a west-group person
    If the front door is either the Death or Disaster location, there is not
    much you can do other than to keep the location `bright' e.g. use neutral
    white wall paint and close the door when not in use.

    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
  16. Dear Boris,
    Based on your description, placing mortar would most likely not considered "
    major " as the structure of the house has been completed earlier.
    If you are doing a Flying Star chart, it is best to prepare two reports and
    see which is more accurate. Most likely your house fits Period 6 Chart than
    Period 7.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Subject: Re: Which year is the building year of the house?

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    Dear Cecil,
    I'm not sure of exact year, but aproximately from 1989 until 1993 we put
    mortar on inner walls, doors, windows, parquetry, finished bathroom and
    kitchen and inner decoration.
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  17. Dear Joe,
    Thank you for sharing this information. Yes, I totally agree that the Tai Su
    or Grand Duke is not Feng Shui but rather based on Chinese culture. You can
    roughly place it as a Chinese superstition. It is a grey area in terms of
    classifying the Grand Duke.
    In my opinion, I think it should be classified as a `strong' Chinese belief.
    Warmest Regards,
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    Subject: FS versus 'superstition'

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    Dear Cecil and Robert,
    Congratulations on the improved website! It looks great.
    I realize that my question may possibly be objectionable to some people,
    but let me assure you I mean no offense. I was curious about the "fine
    line" between FS and superstition. The reason I ask is b/c some
    Chinese-born friends dismiss certain FS cures or calculations as "Chinese
    superstition!" For example, they consider Grand Duke to be superstition,
    but agree that FS in general is good. Personally, I believe anything can be
    taken too far or too seriously. Please comment.
    Sincerely,
    --Joe
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  18. Dear Boris,
    Can I confirm what you mean when you say that "After 1982 there was no major
    work being done on the house until 1989, and the house was finally finished
    in 1993 ".
    In 1989 onwards, can you describe what sort of of major work was done in
    1989?
    As you have mentioned, your house can either fall within Period 6 or Period
    7. One way of counterchecking is to calculate two charts: one for Period 6
    and the other for Period 7. Usually, one can look at both charts and relate
    it to your personal experience since I assume that you should have already
    stayed in the house e.g. from 1994 to the present i.e. approximately 5 years
    already.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    The house I am living in was being built from 1981 to 1993. Actual building
    work has been done in 1982 including the roof, but doors and windows were
    not built in until 1989. After 1982 there was no major work being done on
    the house until 1989, and the house was finally finished in 1993. We moved
    in the house in 1992. I am not sure which year to take as the building year.


  19. Dear Irene,
    Thanks for sharing your valuable information.
    As there are two sides of the argument ie. some FS Masters say that the
    painting of the ceciling would change the Period of the home/office, from my
    personal work, like yourself find that most of the time, the house still
    does not change the period or move to a new period.
    So far, only in one instance did I come across the shift to the new period.
    In the best of my opinion, for now, I believe that we should still make two
    charts one for the house before and the new period and compare both charts
    to see if it `matches' the existing house.
    Thanks for your enlightenment:)
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil

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    On 7/12/99 1:18:08 PM, Anonymous wrote:
    Dear Nansi and Irene,
    Experienced Feng Shui Masters,
    say that instead of removing the roof,
    one
    technique to change the birthdate of
    the house is to paint the ceciling
    of
    the house. This is akin to removing
    the roof or ` changing ' the
    roof.
    Other than the above, things are
    pretty the same year round.
    Warmest
    Regards,
    Cecil
    Hi Cecil,
    From the above statement it would then change the birthdate of my house
    from period 5 to period 7 as the whole house which included the ceiling was
    painted in 1988. I tried plotting the flying star chart for period 7, but
    it would seem to me that the flying star chart(the meaning of each
    combination of stars) for period 5 suits me well based on the current and
    past events in my life. So, I would have to stick with the period 5 flying
    star chart.
    I would say if one paints his/her ceiling in the current period but built
    in previous period, he/she needs to construct two charts and compare which
    of those charts correspond close to his/her current and past situations.
    Others might be affected by the current period's flying star chart when they
    painted the ceiling between 1984-2003 and others might not. It's scary to
    be applying cures or enhancements to a wrong chart.
    It'll be nice to hear inputs from others who have houses built in previous
    periods and painted ceiling in the current period.
    Irene
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  20. Dear Shelley,
    Thanks for bringing up this interesting question.
    A while back I mentioned that originally, Feng Shui is used at a macro
    level. At the micro level, we still look at the homes. But for the homes, it
    is more generalised Feng Shui. For example, in the past, we do not content
    with sleeping on a metal bed nor a water bed. We simply sleep on wooden beds
    because wood is easier to find and make use of.
    In a wider extent, symbols do play a part in ancient homes which are
    decorated with wooden panels or wooden carvings. Even the wooden Chinese
    antique furnitures have inlaid mother-of-pearls e.g. of leaves, flowers,
    fishes etc...
    This is not so much of Feng Shui but cultural heritage. Even porcelian have
    figurines of phoenix, beautiful ladies, auspicious animals. We can say that
    there are at least over 500 symbols and each signify certain values. For
    example we have the crane, the bamboo and many many more animals and
    designs.
    Some of these designs are used in Chinese homes in the hope of using them
    for auspicious reasons. Here, there is a distinction between Feng Shui and
    Symbols. As I had pointed out earlier, Feng Shui really has to do with
    eliminating sha Qi or poision arrows and enhancing Qi.
    I feel that symbols (through cultural heritage) is like a bridge and
    provides a visual and pleasing impact to the homes. The only thing Feng Shui
    and religion have in common is that to a certain degree, it gives us hope,
    hope of better things to come. With such expectations, we thus make an
    effort (consicious or unconscious) to improve our lifes.
    So far, the area of personalization is a new area. I guess, like you, I
    share the view that it is a good way to take advantage in the name of Feng
    Shui for the commercialisation of products. Some of these products are
    closer to religious belief than Feng Shui.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Recently I have noticed an increase in the number of Feng Shui symbols
    being sold in various NewZealand shops. They all seem to be produced by an
    Australian company. Things such as Car Protection Symbols, Three Legged
    Toads with a coin in it's mouth, A coin sword, Numerous types of Buddas,
    Glass Wind Chimes,Bells, Dragons, Lions, etc, all being sold with Feng Shui
    labels attached, as well as information on what they are good for. Are these
    symbols a necessary part of practicing Feng Shui,(as I know Flutes and
    Crystals are) or are they being produced by an opportunist, who has seen a
    good way of taking advantage of, and commercializing a very quickly growing
    area. Look forward to your opinions and comments.
    Shelley
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  21. Dear Nansi and Irene,
    As most of us are aware, under the 20 year Flying Star analysis, Period 7 is
    between 1994 to 2003. Usually, if we do painting every year i.e. 1994 to
    2003, it is still under Period 7. Therefore, the date of birth is really not
    an issue here.
    Experienced Feng Shui Masters, say that instead of removing the roof, one
    technique to change the birthdate of the house is to paint the ceciling of
    the house. This is akin to removing the roof or ` changing ' the roof.
    Other than the above, things are pretty the same year round.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 1:07 PM
    Subject: Re: Does painting the whole house changes the birth date of the

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    On 7/11/99 2:18:11 AM, Anonymous wrote:
    In a message dated 07/09/1999
    6:18:05 PM,
    listmanager@forum.geomancy.net
    writes:
    Hi cecil,
    I
    read in one of
    your
    responses the breaking
    of a
    wall, fixing the roof
    and
    painting the ceilings of
    whole
    houses changes the
    birth date
    of the
    house.
    My grandfather
    gets his whole
    house
    painted
    inside out. Every
    door,
    ceiling, I mean
    everything
    just before the
    festival of
    light
    every
    year to welcome the
    new
    year. My question is
    does that
    mean the birth
    date of
    his houses changes
    every
    year.
    NO
    UH-OH, Now
    I'm confused again. I'm sure
    I read in a previous posting
    that
    painting the ceiling
    changed the birthdate of the
    house. Did I miss-read
    that? Nansi
    Painting never warrants a change in the birthdate of a house....only when
    you make major renovations i.e. tearing off the roof of your house,
    adding/removing a part of your house structure.

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  22. Dear Dr Muthu,
    If you are in Malaysia, my best advise is to consult a Feng Shui Practioner.
    This is because, even if you can calculate the Flying Star correctly, a
    picture perfect Flying Star report is not as important as a full Feng Shui
    Audit.
    Even under the Flying Star, it has to be used in relation to other Feng Shui
    anaysis e.g. the Shapes and Form and even personalised to yourself.
    Furthermore, in your case, it has to do more with your business location
    (unless it is the same as your home).
    In my personal opinion, Lillian Too is " ok " at Shapes and Forms because
    this is more `generalised' and can apply more widely. I agree with you that
    her Flying Star book is confusing and there are some errors in it. I am not
    sure if some of the charts are correct, but if you want to D.I.Y., this is
    the risk that you may have to take.
    Assuming that you can do a proper chart, the more important factor is the
    analysis and knowing how to cure. If one does not have a problem, one can
    take your time to interpret and do trial and error Feng Shui. But if one is
    constrainted by problems, there are two real issues:-
    1. I have seen many who do lots of self cures until, they overdo it. Here,
    if one engages a Feng Shui expert, the expert would not only have to analyse
    a person's Feng Shui but under the `cures'. This is time consuming and also
    costly for the client.
    2. The second issue is that it is much better to get a Feng Shui audit done
    by a respectable FS practioner and work with them to solve your problem.
    Since you are in Malaysia, it is certainly easier to get someone to do it
    for you.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil Lee
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    Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:13 AM
    Subject: how to work out flying star

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    Dear Robert/Cecil,
    I am a West person with Kua no.7 ,Although my main door faces South @ 163
    degrees from centre of house and my bedroom is located at the SW , one of my
    auspicious locations , I am having financial problems & poor business . My
    house was built in 1980 and extensive renovations were done in July 1984 to
    add a large carporch/balcony in front and a balcony at the rear with an
    additional door from dining to the West side . This makes the house a period
    7 house .
    I have tried using the West door with no good effect .
    I would like to know how to work out the Flying star to find out the
    mountain & water star .
    Thanks for any advise you could give
    Dr.Y.Muthupalaniyappan ,
    2800-V, Taman Golf ,
    05250 Alor Setar,
    Kedah , Malaysia
    I have read Lillian Too's Flying Star Feng Star and find it not easy to
    understand how to work out the shift of the numbers around the Lo Shu Grid .
    Can I rely on the pre-determined charts given for the various main door


    locations - are they accurate to base one's calculations for the stars .

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  23. Dear Glyn,
    I guess, the Emotional Intelligence `model' under Feng Shui is not the same
    as the EQ model found in recent books found in the book stores:)
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 1:12 PM
    Subject: Deity

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    Dear Glyn,
    Please read below:-

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    On 7/7/99 6:45:04 PM, Anonymous wrote:
    Hi Cecil and Robert
    I see in the Pillars of
    Destiny Report, among the
    deities is Emotional
    Intelligence and Intelligence.
    Whilst I know what
    Intelligence is, what do you
    interpret Emotional
    Intelligence to be.
    Is it being aware of other
    peoples mind games, emotional
    blackmail etc.

    It is the bad side of intelligence which is often affected by emotional
    constraints or feeling. You know that such emotion can sometimes make a
    person do foolish things such as blind love, etc.
    Similarly when you have such deities, it is suppose to mean that you have
    to beware not to let your emotion take control of your thinking or let
    others affect your thinking etc.
    Hope that helps.
    Warmest Regards
    Robert Lee
    Many thanks
    Glyn

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  24. Dear Joe,
    Due to the scarcity of land for burial, many have turned to cremation. There
    are now a handful of FS Practioners skilled in the art of Yin Feng Shui or
    Feng Shui for the dead.
    I had in past written a short write-up and this is quite interesting:
    http://www.geomancy.net/fs/exhume.htm
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:28 AM
    Subject: Some Useful and Practical Tips

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    Cecil,
    You mentioned FS for the dead in your post. Just out of curiosity, how is
    FS done for the dead? Would that be keeping the grave or burial site clean?
    How would sha qi affect the dead?
    Thanks for indulging my interest. :o)
    --Joe
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  25. Dear Mike,
    The most appropriate tool is the use of the I-Ching. I understand that some
    professional Share Companies use the I-Ching to predict the stocks i.e. they
    use an I-Ching model.
    Frankly, I don't play shares so.. you may have to find out further on this.
    Warmest Regards,
    Cecil
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    Subject: Stock option

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    Can somebody suggest how to improve the stock options with feng shui. How
    to get a edge in the stock market.
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